tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post2231191812865237321..comments2024-02-19T18:20:55.702-07:00Comments on Musings of an Introvert: Captain America: Civil War . . . from an ISFJ PerspectiveCarissa (Regency Woman)http://www.blogger.com/profile/16052175780167961631noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-65318865005066017242016-05-17T15:31:44.216-06:002016-05-17T15:31:44.216-06:00I might be able to go see it again this weekend. ...I might be able to go see it again this weekend. If not this one, then for sure the next. I like your observations! Hoping I feel the same. That second viewing is always so key.<br /><br />And yes, I'm so glad it wasn't just about Bucky. AND that there was a true villain who was neither Cap nor Tony, but someone they both could work against, even if they weren't working together.Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-50294868986828837262016-05-12T12:32:55.972-06:002016-05-12T12:32:55.972-06:00I just went and saw it a 2nd time and noticed a fe...I just went and saw it a 2nd time and noticed a few things. Rhodes is far more antagonistic than Tony, particularly towards Sam. And that made me sad. Next, Cap was never genuinely angry with Tony. He's determined, yes. Refuses to be bullied into compromising, yes. But he's not angry. As for Tony, he really wanted Cap to listen. He was trying. I think if I felt the Avengers genuinely Carissa (Regency Woman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16052175780167961631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-85073046191696175122016-05-09T15:38:04.787-06:002016-05-09T15:38:04.787-06:00It's not Tony vs. Steve that bothers me, I'...It's not Tony vs. Steve that bothers me, I've realized. They've been antagonistic toward each other from their first encounter, and I've gotten pretty grumpy with Tony about that. It's more everybody else feeling like they need to pick a side. Even though the big fight between the two factions was really fun, and no one was out to seriously hurt anyone else, it still hurt Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-16163717499625617862016-05-09T15:15:11.590-06:002016-05-09T15:15:11.590-06:00I am sorry you had such a hard time with the strug...I am sorry you had such a hard time with the struggle between friends. :(<br /><br />Although, like I said, Tony and Steve were never "friends," regardless of Tony's thinking they were. I could see the different ways of viewing the world growing more divided as the film series progressed so it really had nowhere else to go but in this culmination.<br /><br />There are times I think Carissa (Regency Woman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16052175780167961631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-59751037748586822852016-05-09T15:06:26.098-06:002016-05-09T15:06:26.098-06:00No problem! As you can tell, I think about this ty...No problem! As you can tell, I think about this type of stuff waaaaaaaaay too much. ;)Carissa (Regency Woman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16052175780167961631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-90660724754717973882016-05-09T14:49:27.357-06:002016-05-09T14:49:27.357-06:00And I went into the movie still grumpy and about t...And I went into the movie still grumpy and about the whole concept. I told Cowboy this was the first time I could remember going to see a movie in the theater that I actually didn't want to see very much.<br /><br />I don't want my movies to be like real life. I want them to be happier. I'm just hoping that knowing what happens here doesn't make my next viewing of <i>The Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-64355537892757072602016-05-09T14:49:25.178-06:002016-05-09T14:49:25.178-06:00Yeah, it really seemed like a stretch to me, but y...Yeah, it really seemed like a stretch to me, but your explanation does make it make a little more sense. :) I'll try to keep all that in mind when I watch it again, and maybe it won't bother me quite so much. Thanks for the explanation! :)Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901639281043602191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-19218859608323090182016-05-09T13:39:18.879-06:002016-05-09T13:39:18.879-06:00Ahhhh, yes. Bucky. I see that situation as the str...Ahhhh, yes. Bucky. I see that situation as the straw that broke the camel's back. Tony as holding it together outwardly pretty well until that moment. And then he just snapped. It's why you often seen ENTJs and INTJs being characterized as villains in film and book, because when they snap, they really snap. And people get killed. In real life it doesn't happen like that, but for the Carissa (Regency Woman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16052175780167961631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-17290552593925173462016-05-09T12:24:42.628-06:002016-05-09T12:24:42.628-06:00So, do you see it as like his PTSD is what is caus...So, do you see it as like his PTSD is what is causing him to not think clearly and act out of fear, and when he gets help he'll be able to see how wrong he was? Like he wasn't in control of himself instead of just letting himself try to murder Bucky in revenge because he felt like it. That's how I saw it and it didn't make any sense, but maybe I'm just underestimating how Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901639281043602191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-30114877710093635622016-05-09T12:08:02.146-06:002016-05-09T12:08:02.146-06:00Thanks!
The thing with Tony is that he's been...Thanks!<br /><br />The thing with Tony is that he's been suffering from PTSD since the first <i>Avengers</i> film. It's been progressing with each film until we finally see him now, a man who must control the situation because he's terrified of making another massive mistake. Watching the movies as they were filmed, so <i>Avengers</i>, <i>Iron Man 3</i>, <i>Ultron</i> and then <i>Carissa (Regency Woman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16052175780167961631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-22988539621665369782016-05-09T12:02:17.595-06:002016-05-09T12:02:17.595-06:00Awwww, I'm sorry this one didn't make you ...Awwww, I'm sorry this one didn't make you all that happy.<br /><br />I came to terms with the story concept months ago so I knew this movie was going to be all about division. Tony and Steve never really worked "together" in the true sense of the word, not even when they were hating each other less so I knew their story would end this way eventually.<br /><br />It is a sad storyCarissa (Regency Woman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16052175780167961631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-18732660269379868602016-05-09T11:59:39.068-06:002016-05-09T11:59:39.068-06:00Is that what it is? It explains so much about ENTJ...Is that what it is? It explains so much about ENTJs and INTJs then. It's funny how my coworker cannot stand Iron Man, probably because it hits a little bit too close to home for him.<br /><br />As for Cap, yep, the ISFJ can be extremely passive in accepting things . . . that is until we dig our heels in and then nothing can move us. Don't mess with our personal value system, dude!Carissa (Regency Woman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16052175780167961631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-14631366385507351272016-05-09T11:56:52.442-06:002016-05-09T11:56:52.442-06:00Thanks!Thanks!Carissa (Regency Woman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16052175780167961631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-35027963450352926142016-05-09T11:56:35.751-06:002016-05-09T11:56:35.751-06:00You know, I wasn't sad at all.
A confrontatio...You know, I wasn't sad at all.<br /><br />A confrontation between Cap and Iron Man was inevitable simply because they have such hugely different views of life, morality, and values. It doesn't mean I liked the confrontation but I wasn't surprised or horrified that it happened.<br /><br />As for Thor, I missed him. I doubt he would have helped cool heads all that much in this one sinceCarissa (Regency Woman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16052175780167961631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-13043504395191507992016-05-09T11:54:07.323-06:002016-05-09T11:54:07.323-06:00Yep, like you, I could see parts of both sides of ...Yep, like you, I could see parts of both sides of the argument. So it fascinated me that neither side was entirely right, but in the end I could never side against Cap. Not even Nat was able to do that permanently.Carissa (Regency Woman)https://www.blogger.com/profile/16052175780167961631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-74503814787161803222016-05-09T11:19:04.451-06:002016-05-09T11:19:04.451-06:00I like your assessment of Tony here. Politics-wise...I like your assessment of Tony here. Politics-wise I agree with Cap, but I wanted to like Tony as a character as I always have, but I ended up wanting to reject everything the movie had him do and be for the sake of the plot. His character change seemed too abrupt and too extreme and I ended up feeling sorry for him that his character was changed instead of sympathizing with his viewpoint.<br /><Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08901639281043602191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-11382891711260047572016-05-09T10:40:32.192-06:002016-05-09T10:40:32.192-06:00Tony Stank :-D
I had a rather different ISFJ reac...Tony Stank :-D<br /><br />I had a rather different ISFJ reaction to yours. It made me sad, melancholy, and kind of depressed. Then I had a long phone conversation with my best friend that helped me come to terms with some of it, but... it still saddens me. Like Rissi, I don't want my Avengers fighting each other. They're unhappy, which makes me unhappy. The ending to make me feel a Hamlette (Rachel)https://www.blogger.com/profile/11961916847426233995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-15790608155185816032016-05-08T22:20:58.738-06:002016-05-08T22:20:58.738-06:00Great post, Carissa!! Fantastic movie!! :DGreat post, Carissa!! Fantastic movie!! :DAerykahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01834618866696915826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-24139317543592229042016-05-08T16:08:27.477-06:002016-05-08T16:08:27.477-06:00I've noticed Ni's propensity to be obsesse...I've noticed Ni's propensity to be obsessed with perfection. I think it ties into their desire to find an ultimate symbolic "truth" to accompany every perspective and perception -- by the time they reach a conclusion, it is iron-clad and idealistic -- even unrealistic. They become obsessed with how it "should be" in an idealized state -- which makes them incapable of Charityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15928012771461206094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-63429661054832018672016-05-07T18:24:49.444-06:002016-05-07T18:24:49.444-06:00This film makes me SO sad. I don't want my Ave...This film makes me SO sad. I don't want my Avengers fighting against each other, they're so much better when they're fighting together. Like in 'Ultron.' I also wonder what role Thor *might* play in future <i>The Avenger</i> films since he was kind of the "glue" (meaning he cooled hot heads in 'Ultron') in their prior team up. Anyway, glad you liked this one,Rissihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11378400717440822186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6506048107929554518.post-23512055197068827052016-05-07T15:14:22.791-06:002016-05-07T15:14:22.791-06:00Ha!
Tony Stank was genius. :)
I really enjoyed t...Ha! <br />Tony Stank was genius. :) <br />I really enjoyed the movie and I thought it was very fair with both sides of the argument and I could see both sides... though I lean Team Cap. :) Lois TinĂºvielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01113667315479652015noreply@blogger.com